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Zune Software Possibly on the Sidekick?

Ever since Microsoft bought Danger there’s been much speculation on the marriage of the Zune line with our familiat Sidekicks. While there haven’t been any official announcements on whether or not we’ll ever see these two technologies merge, it’s still interesting to think about. In a recent talk with Steve Ballmer he made some comments about the future of Zune and Microsoft’s vision for smartphones:

SB: “We’re going to keep going with Zune”. It’s two things: Service and a device. The Zune service, that’s going to fan out its footprint. Hardware will continue to improve. “The question is whether even if we flog them heavily, is their profit upside”. We’re going to keep going “I won’t say full steam ahead, because that implies acceleration of investment, but we’re going to sustain our investment.” We like it and the future may be the software/ecosystem on other devices.

On to smartphone market:

SB: Smartphones will go from 10% to 70 or 80% of market next few years. So what will people want? Good experience built in, w/out downloading stuff. You want good price range. iPhone is very expensive phone, without a keyboard. Some people can’t afford them. Sweet spot is phones that cost $150 to $200 to make — forget retail price. iPhone is about $500. We want to provide vendors with ability to make Windows phones up and down the price scale.

Unless you assume Apple and BlackBerry are going to sell the lion’s share of most phones, which I don’t, I think the play for us is to provide broad innovation at many price points.

A $500 phone is not going to work for everybody in every market. The most popular phones in China and India cost about $25 to build. We can’t get our software on that.

SA: Do you care about “touch” on phones? The blogs say you are.

SB: Windows Mobile 6.5 has touch on it. The way Apple does touch drives cost. They way they do it on the iPhone is not an inexpensive component. We’ll do it in a way that you can afford to do it on most phones.

My first thought was “No, please don’t replace the DangerOS” but was then it was pointed out to me that the Zune software integrated into the DangerOS, replacing the current MediaPlayer could be a nice change. This is something that we won’t see for the Blade for sure, but it’s an interesting possibility for future devices. Steve comments on the sweet spot for prices on smartphones gives hope that the next Sidekick may not cost a fortune. Here’s hoping! If you want to check out the full Q&A with Steve Ballmer, here’s the article.

via engadget. Thanks Mike!

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  • 80 Responses to “Zune Software Possibly on the Sidekick?”

    1. meme Says:

      cool cool!

    2. gizmo Says:

      looks like microsoft bought danger to get into a good fight with apple!! we will see some really good phones comming out of microsoft. better hardware should be at the top of the list. better cameras, a phone that isnt like having a brick in your pocket, perhaps we can get some of that really cool “steering with the screen” gaming that the iphone is doing. i dont really want a touch on a sidekick. it would be useless. the sidekick is just fine withoug a touch screen.

      i would like to see danger add the zune player to the kick. that would be a welcomed change. more file formats accepted and smoother playback. i think microsoft buying danger was a good move. i was affraid at first. i thought the change would mean that microsoft has bought another company to hang a dark cloud over and make us all little microsoft clones, but they dont seem to want to change the operating system that we love so much. if they do make changes to it i hope the way we interact with the interfave remains the same. i dont want microsort all over my phone. i like my kick user interface.

    3. BC Says:

      Someone should point out to Mr Balmer that a iPhone on At&T starts at $199. That’s fits within his “sweet spot” for phone pricing.

      If the Zune software does come to the Sidekick, hopefully the touchpad comes with it. Its part of the Zune experience and blows way the click wheel on the iPod.

    4. Zuney Says:

      What makes you so sure that the Blade won’t have any of this Zune incorporation?

    5. just somebody Says:

      This is great! I love the Zune UI, its awesome and really smooth to operate, it also reminds me of the “list style” of UI that danger uses. In both UI you scroll down and side to side for the sub menu’s… cept the Zune UI is way better looking, I don’t think people would be mad with this change because they are so similar, I think there could be a great blend of the two to make in amazing and fun user interface, please Microsoft! this would be your best move!

    6. gizmo Says:

      we do this all the time. we ask for something and we dont get it. its weird. we can demand all the tings that would make the sidekick a better device but we never get it. i think we have a shot this time. i think that the involvement of microsoft and this prick named “steve” will bring us a device that we want. we dont want a really fancy and expensive sidekick. we want a kick that does what it already does only better! i want zune, i want a better media player, something louder in my ears. the current media player is not loud enough, i want to say that the max is too loud and tell my friends not to turn it all the way up or it will hurt. the stupid iphone does that. the iphone gets loud enough for me to have to turn down or risk hurting my ears! i want that in my kick! i love my music and they need to bring the media player over. it can work with the trach ball. we dont need a touch screen or a stupit trach pad. the wheel is good as it is.

    7. Koloheboy Says:

      me want me 2009 sk lol

    8. love-my-LX Says:

      I agree with gizmo, we don’t a fancy track pad or whatever. A nicer media player would be greater. The only problem is the battery life when listening to your music on a sidekick, but I could make it work I guess. But still it is a nice feature.

    9. nonbeliever Says:

      I don’t think that microsoft will be getting their hands dirty with the danger OS anytime soon. Hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I don’t like the Zune and if they ever do put the Zune UI on the sidekick, as much as it hurts to say it, I’d have to move to a different phone. The sidekick has always been an original phone and if you were to replace its music player with a Zune music player then it’d kill the sidekick style and name. It’s like buying a MacBook and installing Internet Explorer on it. I can only truly see phones running windows mobile with a Zune music player.

    10. just somebody Says:

      http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/06/no-zune-phone-but-zune-touch-soon.php

      tell me this ui doesn’t look amazing!? people are just never open to new things … damn fanboys… get an iphone!

    11. gizmo Says:

      nonbeliever on March 24, 2009 at 6:38 pm said:

      I don’t think that microsoft will be getting their hands dirty with the danger OS anytime soon. Hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I don’t like the Zune and if they ever do put the Zune UI on the sidekick, as much as it hurts to say it, I’d have to move to a different phone. The sidekick has always been an original phone and if you were to replace its music player with a Zune music player then it’d kill the sidekick style and name. It’s like buying a MacBook and installing Internet Explorer on it. I can only truly see phones running windows mobile with a Zune music player.

      whats the point in buying a phone that wont make changes for the better?? you dont have to use the side kick for its media player. you can actually have an pm3 player of your own, and it will def save on your kicks battery life if your willing to carry 2 devices. we cant all have what we want man. come one. a zune on a kick would be nice to have. to hell with itunes. im just anti apple because i dont like the software. the hardware is the best thing to ever come around. the computers, the ipods and the stupid phone. some of the best hardware you can buy but i cant stand the stupid os or the ui

    12. Anonymous Says:

      nonbeliever on March 24, 2009 at 6:38 pm said:

      I don’t think that microsoft will be getting their hands dirty with the danger OS anytime soon. Hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I don’t like the Zune and if they ever do put the Zune UI on the sidekick, as much as it hurts to say it, I’d have to move to a different phone. The sidekick has always been an original phone and if you were to replace its music player with a Zune music player then it’d kill the sidekick style and name. It’s like buying a MacBook and installing Internet Explorer on it. I can only truly see phones running windows mobile with a Zune music player.

      You’re an idiot!

    13. recognizedakick Says:

      Cool! I say anything to make the sidekick better is a go! Altho I have to agree with gizmo because I just can’t see a touchscreen on the kick. That’s why they made the G1 and the Samsung Behold. I say bring on the new changes! If I don’t like it, I have other sidekicks to choose from w/o it. How can we get better unless we test these things out? If its a failure, then at least we know and we can move on and do better for the next kicks to come.

    14. crazyforwhat? Says:

      BC on March 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm said:

      Someone should point out to Mr Balmer that a iPhone on At&T starts at $199. That’s fits within his “sweet spot” for phone pricing.

      If the Zune software does come to the Sidekick, hopefully the touchpad comes with it. Its part of the Zune experience and blows way the click wheel on the iPod.

      That is a subsidized price. In reality the iphone costs 600 to 800 outright

    15. gizmo Says:

      recognizedakick on March 24, 2009 at 7:25 pm said:

      Cool! I say anything to make the sidekick better is a go! Altho I have to agree with gizmo because I just can’t see a touchscreen on the kick. That’s why they made the G1 and the Samsung Behold. I say bring on the new changes! If I don’t like it, I have other sidekicks to choose from w/o it. How can we get better unless we test these things out? If its a failure, then at least we know and we can move on and do better for the next kicks to come.

      i dont think that misrosoft has had enough time to get very involved with the development of the kick to come. im pretty sure danger already had a direction and a vision for the kick to come so the odds of us getting the zune media player on the next kick are kinda slim but now that danger has a habit of putting out a mid way sidekick to hold us over when the main one gives out and its time to replace it i think the next “half way” sidekick may have it on there. it prob wont have a camera like the SKiD or will be missing the very needed flash like the sklide or maybe it wont be 3g, who knows but i think the next “affordable” or “midway” kick will have more microsoft involvement. and im ok with that as long as they dont try to sell me a iphone competition device. they can get the wing to do that or one of those high end htc touch devices for that. im not looking to compete with apple i just dont want it. i dont like the stupid user interface. its all weird to me and its stupid. i like my jump button. i like the fact that i can jump from one application to another like minimizing windows. jump to the browser, get a text and jump to it, send a pic of where i am to a friend or my girl or whatever, jump to the web browser and start to load this page, jump to a game while it loads, it flashes when its done loading so i jump back to it, read a little, get a reply text, jump to it, reply to it, jump back to a dumb comment that somebody left on here, send the link to a friend in an email, jump to the home page, turn on my bluetooth headphones, jump to the instant messenger, start a conversation, hold the jump and press the back button (it opens up my music player like a window no matter what screen im at) start a sont and exit the musicplayer (the songs play on theit own) continue my instant messege conversation and so on like that. i really like that. i can do so many things at once. i dont need the iphone to do wha tmy kick does for me. i cant do things this way with a stupid apple product.

      gizmo

    16. gizmo Says:

      oh yea. i got real carried away on that last one.

    17. crazyforwhat? Says:

      I wouldnt be surprised to see a monthly charge for using the mp3 player on the blade.

    18. Meme Says:

      crazyforwhat? on March 24, 2009 at 7:46 pm said:

      BC on March 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm said:

      Someone should point out to Mr Balmer that a iPhone on At&T starts at $199. That’s fits within his “sweet spot” for phone pricing.

      If the Zune software does come to the Sidekick, hopefully the touchpad comes with it. Its part of the Zune experience and blows way the click wheel on the iPod.

      That is a subsidized price. In reality the iphone costs 600 to 800 outright

      If this is true then how is the iPod touch so inexpensive? I would understand an iPhone selling for $300 even tho it’s really $600-800 because of the monthly charge fee and apple may get a portion of that. HoWEVER an iPod touch is virtually the same thing as the iPhone and it’s a one time charge when you iniially buy the product. So I don’t think the iPhone is valued so high.maybe $100 max. LOL

    19. meems Says:

      recognizedakick on March 24, 2009 at 7:25 pm said:

      Cool! I say anything to make the sidekick better is a go! Altho I have to agree with gizmo because I just can’t see a touchscreen on the kick. That’s why they made the G1 and the Samsung Behold. I say bring on the new changes! If I don’t like it, I have other sidekicks to choose from w/o it. How can we get better unless we test these things out? If its a failure, then at least we know and we can move on and do better for the next kicks to come.

      the behold is made by samsung and the g1 is made by google neither have anything to do with danger or the sidekick. I dont think A touch sidekick would be horrible if they just made it touch so we can change between programs,games etc and keep the keyboard … the annoying part about touch phones is trying to type with them..

    20. love-my-LX Says:

      If you guys had to take a wild guess… how many more OTA’s will the LX get?(if there are any that it will get)

    21. alex Says:

      a nicer media player would be fantastic! the one on sidekicks now is ok but it needs an upgrade

    22. gizmo Says:

      love-my-LX on March 25, 2009 at 5:00 am said:

      If you guys had to take a wild guess… how many more OTA’s will the LX get?(if there are any that it will get)

      thats a good question. i honestly dont think that we lx users will get any more ots’s this late in the game. i thikn that anything that is to be upgraded will happen on the soon to come sidekick. i dont think it will be caled the blade or the 2009. i think those are code names.

    23. gizmo Says:

      crazyforwhat? on March 24, 2009 at 7:49 pm said:

      I wouldnt be surprised to see a monthly charge for using the mp3 player on the blade.

      come on man. you cant be serious. a monthly charge. what would be a bit much, dont you think??

      if they charged a monthly fee and didnt change the cost of texting or the web plan than im just gonna leave tmobile all together and the sidekick. that would be the very last straw for me. a charge foe the music play that comes with it?? no way!! i would leave tmobile and the sidekick and go back to nokias or something. lmao!! i know you guys remember the 3390. i would get one of those. im sure i can find a used one onthe internet for a good price. lmao!!

      danger better not charge us a monthly fee for usint the media player. i would throw a fit and go back to the dark ages of the nokia 3390. that thing doesnt to anything but calls and text. no web browser, no calender, no pic msgs, no camera, no gps, none of that cool stuff that phones are not really supposed to do. its just phone and contacts and texting.

    24. crazyforiphones Says:

      Bro, you will prolly pay for the zune player, if not a monthly charge, maybe a one time charge.

      Look at the nuTsie application for the kick, it cost $3.99 per month to use itunes on the kick.
      That’s $50 a year!

      F*CK THAT!

    25. gizmo Says:

      crazyforiphones on March 25, 2009 at 12:40 pm said:

      Bro, you will prolly pay for the zune player, if not a monthly charge, maybe a one time charge.

      Look at the nuTsie application for the kick, it cost $3.99 per month to use itunes on the kick.
      That’s $50 a year!

      F*CK THAT!

      now that microsoft is involved it makes sense to charge to use itunes on a microsoft product. but if they charge to use zune than im just gonn aleave all together. if it streames music and there is a charge for that than i can pay for that. i will pay for streaming music that i can get whenever i want. i will pay to download songs. i can dig that but if there is a monthly service charge to have it and it doesnt actually stream music or even let me bluetooth music over than im leavin tmobile and im gonna go back to the stupid nokia 33no and im gonn ahave it unlocked and im going togo over to cingular.

    26. love-my-LX Says:

      So if the lx did get and OTA what do you think it would be because it would completely suck if it didn’t upgrade to something.

    27. crazyforAPPLE Says:

      Meme on March 24, 2009 at 8:40 pm said:

      crazyforwhat? on March 24, 2009 at 7:46 pm said:

      BC on March 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm said:

      Someone should point out to Mr Balmer that a iPhone on At&T starts at $199. That’s fits within his “sweet spot” for phone pricing.

      If the Zune software does come to the Sidekick, hopefully the touchpad comes with it. Its part of the Zune experience and blows way the click wheel on the iPod.

      That is a subsidized price. In reality the iphone costs 600 to 800 outright

      If this is true then how is the iPod touch so inexpensive? I would understand an iPhone selling for $300 even tho it’s really $600-800 because of the monthly charge fee and apple may get a portion of that. HoWEVER an iPod touch is virtually the same thing as the iPhone and it’s a one time charge when you iniially buy the product. So I don’t think the iPhone is valued so high.maybe $100 max. LOL

      MEME,

      The Ipod runs on the same OS, but is totally different from the iphone.

      There are over 12 components VERY EXPENSIVE ONES AT THAT.

      Let me break down what the iphone3G does have that the ipod touch does not have, (correct me if I missed anything

      1. Infineon 3g/edge radio
      2. Camera
      3. Proximity Sensor
      4. Different battery (sorry for vagueness)
      5. Bluetooth Radio
      6. GPS Receiver
      7. IC Power Manager
      8. Speaker (It is different from the ipod)
      9. Power Amplifier Module WCDMA/HSUPA (3g)
      10. Semiconductor PAM WCDMA/HSUPA (2 of these)
      11. Amplifier LNA Tri Band HSDPA (3g)
      12. Amplifier – LNA GPS

      This was based off of an engineers analysis after dissecting an Iphone 3G, and can be found with a google search.

    28. crazyforAPPLE Says:

      love-my-LX on March 25, 2009 at 12:57 pm said:

      So if the lx did get and OTA what do you think it would be because it would completely suck if it didn’t upgrade to something.

      ll Be Quoted Here

      most of the improvements like 3G, GPS etc, require hardware that is not present on the LX.

      The most I can see LX users getting would be like, Tabbed browsing, threaded text, Possible a media player, SO anything software related that isn’t dependant on the new chipset, RAM, ram or GPS.

      The twitter app is available to Danger Developers, so you guys SHOULD get it. But then again, you will prolly have to pay for it.

      You do know you can configure twitter to update you via text message. Why pay for it

    29. gizmo Says:

      love-my-LX on March 25, 2009 at 12:57 pm said:

      So if the lx did get and OTA what do you think it would be because it would completely suck if it didn’t upgrade to something.

      i dont think that the lx will be getting any more ota’s because the focus is al on the kick to come now and the lx is becoming a thing of the past. see the new pattern here?? the main phone will come out first than when people have beaten up the main one they put out an affordable one to hold you over until another main one comes out.

      the lx is becoming old news. a think of the past. want better features? then start saving up for the new one.

    30. crazyforiphones Says:

      You will be angry very soon when this new kick comes out and you have to pay for all the extra goodies.

    31. kelly Says:

      i’m not a fan of microsoft, but i love sidekicks.
      i’m an apple person  :)

    32. gizmo Says:

      crazyforiphones on March 25, 2009 at 3:49 pm said:

      You will be angry very soon when this new kick comes out and you have to pay for all the extra goodies.

      im not actually in a financial bind. i can actually afford the few extra bux a month but why should i have to when there are other devices out there that will allow me to do what the sidekick does for less every month. the blackberry has a map on it. i can get a new storm with a gps unit built into it. i shouldnt have to pay for a gps service. thats crazy. if danger and microsoft plan on raising prices than they will loose money. alot of money. i hope that they see this and are not planning on jacking up prices.

    33. crazyforiphones Says:

      I don’t wanna kill your dreams of the storm, but verizon locks down all their phones, to use gps on verizon network you need to sign up for VZ navigator. Also, they strip wifi off of the blackberry devices.

      I had verizon for a work phone for a long time. They suck.

    34. gizmo Says:

      crazyforiphones on March 25, 2009 at 4:33 pm said:

      I don’t wanna kill your dreams of the storm, but verizon locks down all their phones, to use gps on verizon network you need to sign up for VZ navigator. Also, they strip wifi off of the blackberry devices.

      I had verizon for a work phone for a long time. They suck.

      dude. my sister has a storm and its not that bad. i just dont want to pay for touching my phone everytime i want to use it. if that means biting the bullet and getting on a network that i dont want to be on and getting a device that i dont really want than so be it. its either that or an iphone. im not going to let microdanger or tmobile screw me. f*ck that ****

    35. crazyforiphones Says:

      I feel ya bro, that is why I’m done. I’m spoiled with all my free apps for the touch. I love it. Can’t wait to get the iphone this summer

    36. love-my-LX Says:

      Wait…. what’s threaded text??? I don’t exactly know and I googled it, and it had something to do with some celebrity thing.

    37. crazyforiphones Says:

      You don’t know what it is? You are missing out kid. Once you try it you just can’t go back.

      Basically instead of every text message taking up a spot in your in box, it is grouped by contact, so if your homeboy texts you you can read the entire conversation. And at then your girlfriend is in another thread and is seperate from your homeboy.

      When your texting more than 3 people at the same time, it makes more sense and you realize how lucky you are to have threaded text messaging.

      The g1 has it, and iphone does too.

    38. Meme Says:

      You guys. I wouldn’t doubt that the picture we saw of that sidekick we saw is a final version of the new sidekick that will be released. Stay optimistic about the phone! I’m sure danger is reading each and every post made on these blogs. I don’t think they can just ignore there customers needs and wants. Just remember that they want and to need to sell their product so it’s going to have features that will hopefully benefit a large crowd. I don’t think danger is planning on making an iPhone killer but I do think this next device will be a great GREAT upgrade from every other sidekick we’ve purchased. I’m excited about this phone and I’m going to be loyal to the sidekick. I thought about the iPhone…I’m currentl using a touch right now. But im so happy this isn’t my phone. I would hate it. I almost wantto sell my touch! Anyways, stay optimistic and keep the comments positive. If pure going to hop the bandwagon it doesn’t mean you have to diss the new sidekick you know about! I think people who do that just try to reassure themselves of why they are switching…but you don’t have to tell us why because we don’t care. :)

    39. Crazyforkicks Says:

      hey MEME, you really think danger gives a rats a$$ about what the customer wants?

      How come since 2002 we have been screaming for free ringtones, and we still don’t got them.

      Danger is dead, 75% of the developers have left for the G1 and iphone.

      Why do you think they sold the company to microsoft?
      They are just trying to make as much money as they can on the way to the grave.

      I figure in 2 years the sidekick will be dead unless they make some serious changes to the platform, OS, and its capabilities.

    40. Meme Says:

      Crazyforkicks on March 25, 2009 at 8:01 pm said:

      hey MEME, you really think danger gives a rats a$$ about what the customer wants?

      How come since 2002 we have been screaming for free ringtones, and we still don’t got them.

      Danger is dead, 75% of the developers have left for the G1 and iphone.

      Why do you think they sold the company to microsoft?
      They are just trying to make as much money as they can on the way to the grave.

      I figure in 2 years the sidekick will be dead unless they make some serious changes to the platform, OS, and its capabilities.

      That is all based on speculation. You have no idea and you’re just a rebel without a cause. Out think apple didn’t listento it’s customers wanted multimedia messaging? Well they’re goingto get it on the soon to come update along with a lot of long awaited other things that should have come standard on an iPhone… Just wait. If this sidekick isn’t a huge upgrade from the LX then you can say “I told you so” and I’ll admi my stupidity. LOL but don’t critisize the phone just yet! Especially when you have no idea aboutthe phone!

    41. Meme Says:

      Damn iPod touch. I hate this keyboard sometimes.

    42. nonbeliever Says:

      gizmo on March 24, 2009 at 7:05 pm said:

      nonbeliever on March 24, 2009 at 6:38 pm said:

      I don’t think that microsoft will be getting their hands dirty with the danger OS anytime soon. Hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I don’t like the Zune and if they ever do put the Zune UI on the sidekick, as much as it hurts to say it, I’d have to move to a different phone. The sidekick has always been an original phone and if you were to replace its music player with a Zune music player then it’d kill the sidekick style and name. It’s like buying a MacBook and installing Internet Explorer on it. I can only truly see phones running windows mobile with a Zune music player.

      whats the point in buying a phone that wont make changes for the better?? you dont have to use the side kick for its media player. you can actually have an pm3 player of your own, and it will def save on your kicks battery life if your willing to carry 2 devices. we cant all have what we want man. come one. a zune on a kick would be nice to have. to hell with itunes. im just anti apple because i dont like the software. the hardware is the best thing to ever come around. the computers, the ipods and the stupid phone. some of the best hardware you can buy but i cant stand the stupid os or the ui

      Wow. You utterly contradicted yourself.

    43. nonbeliever Says:

      on March 24, 2009 at 7:14 pm said:

      nonbeliever on March 24, 2009 at 6:38 pm said:

      I don’t think that microsoft will be getting their hands dirty with the danger OS anytime soon. Hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I don’t like the Zune and if they ever do put the Zune UI on the sidekick, as much as it hurts to say it, I’d have to move to a different phone. The sidekick has always been an original phone and if you were to replace its music player with a Zune music player then it’d kill the sidekick style and name. It’s like buying a MacBook and installing Internet Explorer on it. I can only truly see phones running windows mobile with a Zune music player.

      You’re an idiot!

      Go molest yourself with a 5ft pole.

    44. recognizedakick Says:

      @Gizmo
      Dude, you wrote that long essay about how ur in love with ur Sidekick and the jump key then all of a sudden u start talking about leaving the Sidekick altogether?! I don’t get u man. I think crazyforkicks/crazyforiphones/crazyforwhat?/crazyforAPPLE/justcrazy4leavintmobile has gotten into ur head. Stay loyal and tru like u started out to be. I was actually startin to think that u were 1 of the few ppl on here who’s posts were actually worth reading. Don’t jump ship man!

      @Meme
      How can u wanna sell ur touch?! That device is somethin special! Well, unless u have a 1G which is still not all that bad! Im not sayin to leave the kick for the iphone, in fact, that’s THE LAST thing I wud tell u, but u gotta admit that thing can do some pretty bad stuff that u just can’t do wid a kick. And I agree, the keyboard on there SUX!

      @ Everyone else
      Try zune 1st before assuming the worse. Yea it sucks that we have to pay a fee for every lil feature but for the most part of my experience wit the kick, its always been worth it. Who knows, this might be a 1 time 5.99 fee or somethin. No one here knows that’s for sure. I don’t like how a site for Sidekick fans is starting to turn into a Sidekick hater site. I don’t think these posts were meant for us to realize how much the Sidekick really does suck and leave for another phone. Like Meme said, ’stay optimistic and keep the comments positive’. Lets all look foward to what Danger is ATTEMPTING to do.

      I’m just sayin! =D

    45. Anonymous Says:

      nonbeliever on March 25, 2009 at 8:22 pm said:

      on March 24, 2009 at 7:14 pm said:

      nonbeliever on March 24, 2009 at 6:38 pm said:

      I don’t think that microsoft will be getting their hands dirty with the danger OS anytime soon. Hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I don’t like the Zune and if they ever do put the Zune UI on the sidekick, as much as it hurts to say it, I’d have to move to a different phone. The sidekick has always been an original phone and if you were to replace its music player with a Zune music player then it’d kill the sidekick style and name. It’s like buying a MacBook and installing Internet Explorer on it. I can only truly see phones running windows mobile with a Zune music player.

      You’re an idiot!

      Go molest yourself with a 5ft pole.

      Grow some ballz

    46. Meme Says:

      recognizedakick on March 25, 2009 at 8:41 pm said:

      @Gizmo
      Dude, you wrote that long essay about how ur in love with ur Sidekick and the jump key then all of a sudden u start talking about leaving the Sidekick altogether?! I don’t get u man. I think crazyforkicks/crazyforiphones/crazyforwhat?/crazyforAPPLE/justcrazy4leavintmobile has gotten into ur head. Stay loyal and tru like u started out to be. I was actually startin to think that u were 1 of the few ppl on here who’s posts were actually worth reading. Don’t jump ship man!

      @Meme
      How can u wanna sell ur touch?! That device is somethin special! Well, unless u have a 1G which is still not all that bad! Im not sayin to leave the kick for the iphone, in fact, that’s THE LAST thing I wud tell u, but u gotta admit that thing can do some pretty bad stuff that u just can’t do wid a kick. And I agree, the keyboard on there SUX!

      @ Everyone else
      Try zune 1st before assuming the worse. Yea it sucks that we have to pay a fee for every lil feature but for the most part of my experience wit the kick, its always been worth it. Who knows, this might be a 1 time 5.99 fee or somethin. No one here knows that’s for sure. I don’t like how a site for Sidekick fans is starting to turn into a Sidekick hater site. I don’t think these posts were meant for us to realize how much the Sidekick really does suck and leave for another phone. Like Meme said, ’stay optimistic and keep the comments positive’. Lets all look foward to what Danger is ATTEMPTING to do.

      I’m just sayin! =D

      I have the newest 2nd generation iPod touch. I don’tknow. What are some cool apps? I’m not sure if this thing is so great.

    47. alex Says:

      do you guys think that the new sidekick will still have aim, yahoo, and all those messengers?

    48. crazyforiphone Says:

      I’m not going to pay for these current apps, when I can get them for free on the iphone, or G1
      $2.99 per month for the photo bucket app
      $1.99 per month for the myspace app
      $3.99 per month for the nuTsie/ iTunes App
      $2.99 per month for the Auctioneer Ebay App
      $2.99 per month for the Mobile Cast App
      $1.99 per month for the Radar App
      $2.99 per month for the Newsroom App
      $2.99 per month for the Weather App
      total = $22.92 plus tax.

      New apps will be around:
      $1.99 per month for the facebook app
      $3.99 per month for the You tube app
      $1.99 per month for the twitter App$
      ???? for the Zune MP3 Player
      $9.99 per month for the GPS NAVIGATOR (that is what verizon charges
      Total = Another $17.96 plus tax.

      All of that **** is free on the Iphone, PLUS the apps **** on the SK
      GOOD BYE TMOBILE, I’m officially FED UP with these charges, the extra
      $40.88 plus tax will be used to get the iphone plan on At&T.

      Screw the keyboard, I’ll get used to the iphone. The new phone will bring new feautures that I used to complain about it NOT having. like picture messaging, and copy & paste.

      They have taken it too far. after 7 years of loyalty. I’m done with SK’s

    49. Meme Says:

      crazyforiphone on March 26, 2009 at 8:42 am said:

      I’m not going to pay for these current apps, when I can get them for free on the iphone, or G1
      $2.99 per month for the photo bucket app
      $1.99 per month for the myspace app
      $3.99 per month for the nuTsie/ iTunes App
      $2.99 per month for the Auctioneer Ebay App
      $2.99 per month for the Mobile Cast App
      $1.99 per month for the Radar App
      $2.99 per month for the Newsroom App
      $2.99 per month for the Weather App
      total = $22.92 plus tax.

      New apps will be around:
      $1.99 per month for the facebook app
      $3.99 per month for the You tube app
      $1.99 per month for the twitter App$
      ???? for the Zune MP3 Player
      $9.99 per month for the GPS NAVIGATOR (that is what verizon charges
      Total = Another $17.96 plus tax.

      All of that **** is free on the Iphone, PLUS the apps **** on the SK
      GOOD BYE TMOBILE, I’m officially FED UP with these charges, the extra
      $40.88 plus tax will be used to get the iphone plan on At&T.

      Screw the keyboard, I’ll get used to the iphone. The new phone will bring new feautures that I used to complain about it NOT having. like picture messaging, and copy & paste.

      They have taken it too far. after 7 years of loyalty. I’m done with SK’s

      You need to calm down. How can you judge the new sidekick that isn’t even released yet? In the past year the apple app stores along with the htc app and the soon tobcome blackberry app store have sky rocketed! Danger isn’t filled with complete idiots. They recognize our needs and wants and I don’t thinkbthey will turn their heads from what we want as customers from the new sidekick. Just wait to judge it after it comes out. Everything you’re hearing andseeing is speculation! Half the things you hear are wrong! So be skeptical about everything you see and hear until you’ve seen it for yourself. But I do agree with you. Tmobile/danger better not screw us over with having to pay reoccuring fees and single time charges for apps the phone should come standard with having.

    50. crazyforiphone Says:

      MEME that first section of re occuring fees is real.
      Look at your download catalog.

      I cant stand it, why should I have to pay for any of those?

      And We are gonna have to pay 35 bucks for data when we upgrade to the 3g sidekick.

      I think they are going to lose the customer base.

    51. meme Says:

      I understand what you’re saying! Reoccurring fees are not right. But it is all speculation! Just wait and see. That’s all we can do.
      It is possible the sidekick app stores will revamp their application store to be completely different on the new sidekick. I think NOW that the apple app store has set the standard for the way app stores should be, danger, Microsoft, Android, Blackberry will all follow its footsteps!

    52. crazyforiphone Says:

      It isn’t speculation, because we are paying those fees right now for those 8 apps.

      I’m speculating the new apps.

    53. meme Says:

      crazyforiphone on March 26, 2009 at 9:42 am said:

      It isn’t speculation, because we are paying those fees right now for those 8 apps.

      I’m speculating the new apps.

      I understand that RIGHT NOW there are many reoccurring fee applications in the download catalog of our sidekick. It’s ridiculous that they expect/want us to pay a reoccurring fee when we’re already paying $60-80 dollars a month of the phone itself!! We should be treated better and offered more productive apps… not 15 year old applications.. But then again, I think this sidekick is more an a children/teenager’s phone rather an adults. (By the way, I’m 20.) But I love my sidekick. I feel like if I left the phone I would highly regret it because there isn’t another phone that can do everything I want and need it to. Sure it has it’s downsides but I’m not complaining. Like I said, it does what it needs to.

    54. meme Says:

      Some improvements the new Sidekick should have (in my opinion) are:
      threaded texting
      internal hard drive
      tabbed web browsing
      more user friendly web browsing
      youtube/facebook/twitter ..blah blah
      louder speaker
      highe resolution camera
      better app stores
      I wouldn’t mind a touch screen
      I don’t use the media player often…but who knows. Maybe a zune media player would be pretty neat!
      AND MORE SOPHISTICATED LOOK.

    55. crazyforiphone Says:

      Damn dude, you hit the nail right on the head!

      That is exactly what I want.

      I also want the following:

      1. Free ringtones. I don’t care anymore, I want them NOW! its the year 2 thousand and freaking 9. My mom has free ringtones fro crying out loud she is almost 60 years old!
      2. Microsoft Outlook Exhchange email/contacts/calender support
      3. Better Developer Kit more access to api’s.
      4. Stereo Bluetooth.

    56. alex Says:

      i would love to see a touch screen sidekick come out this year, but they would need to keep the keyboard. like the g1. i agree with the need for tabbed browsing, a louder speaker, and a better camera.
      what bugs me is that we can’t take a picture and then set it as our phones background. we can only set it as our screen saver. the ringtones i’m not too worried about

    57. Meme Says:

      alex on March 26, 2009 at 11:07 am said:

      i would love to see a touch screen sidekick come out this year, but they would need to keep the keyboard. like the g1. i agree with the need for tabbed browsing, a louder speaker, and a better camera.
      what bugs me is that we can’t take a picture and then set it as our phones background. we can only set it as our screen saver. the ringtones i’m not too worried about

      I agree. Free ringtones would be nice. I think that market went down the drown a LONG time ago. I have yet to buy a sngoe ring tone with my LX. I felt robbed the last one I purchased a ringtone because I realized I was paying $1.99 for a 15 second clip. So needless to say, I’m done buying apps/rigtones from the sidekick catalog. =p
      Danger is smart tho… Are they the first company to offer a download catalog aka an app store for it’s users??

    58. just somebody Says:

      agree with meme, you should work for danger

    59. crazyforAPPLE Says:

      Listen, ringtones are necessary, same with backgrounds.
      They can do it on other Sidekick networks, infact if you look at the online users manual for the Kick it tells you how to install free ringtones DAMN you t-mobile.

      Every other phone can do it, they need to get with the times.
      People still buy ringtones on the iphone, but you can get free ones also.

      every day that passes, my LX becomes more and more ancient like Sega Genisis, and VHS casettes.

      GET WITH THE TIMES!

    60. Julio Says:

      iphone is better than the sidekick 09. sidekicks are becoming WACK!

    61. crazyforiphones Says:

      Agreed!

    62. gizmo Says:

      nonbeliever on March 25, 2009 at 8:21 pm said:

      gizmo on March 24, 2009 at 7:05 pm said:

      nonbeliever on March 24, 2009 at 6:38 pm said:

      I don’t think that microsoft will be getting their hands dirty with the danger OS anytime soon. Hopefully, it’ll stay that way. I don’t like the Zune and if they ever do put the Zune UI on the sidekick, as much as it hurts to say it, I’d have to move to a different phone. The sidekick has always been an original phone and if you were to replace its music player with a Zune music player then it’d kill the sidekick style and name. It’s like buying a MacBook and installing Internet Explorer on it. I can only truly see phones running windows mobile with a Zune music player.

      whats the point in buying a phone that wont make changes for the better?? you dont have to use the side kick for its media player. you can actually have an pm3 player of your own, and it will def save on your kicks battery life if your willing to carry 2 devices. we cant all have what we want man. come one. a zune on a kick would be nice to have. to hell with itunes. im just anti apple because i dont like the software. the hardware is the best thing to ever come around. the computers, the ipods and the stupid phone. some of the best hardware you can buy but i cant stand the stupid os or the ui

      Wow. You utterly contradicted yourself.

      lol. i did didnt i?? i still stand by my statement however i would lik eto clear it up for you.

      i don tlike apple software. i like the hardware. windows runs so much better on the mac if you can hack it or get someone else to hack it for you. its not legal but i have…. “seen it done” before.

    63. gizmo Says:

      recognizedakick Says:

      @Gizmo
      Dude, you wrote that long essay about how ur in love with ur Sidekick and the jump key then all of a sudden u start talking about leaving the Sidekick altogether?! I don’t get u man. I think crazyforkicks/crazyforiphones/crazyforwhat?/crazyforAPPLE/justcrazy4leavintmobile has gotten into ur head. Stay loyal and tru like u started out to be. I was actually startin to think that u were 1 of the few ppl on here who’s posts were actually worth reading. Don’t jump ship man!

      i dont want to jump ship at all. i really want to see danger do better. it feels like we are coming to the end of a great thing that could have been so much better but only the once that have used a kick know it. everybody that owns a kick is always looking at it for one reason or another. everybody that i know that owns one of these things is always looking at it. sometimes its a game, sometimes its web browsin, textin, emailing, beating up those keys for whatever reason. i and my fellow kickers love the kick. my gripe is all the things that are starting to look real silly on a phone. like having to pay for ring times, somebody mentioned that and its true. before i got my first kick i had free tingtones. i just loaded them on my cd card and i was in business. the sk 3 came out and i was all for it, it seemed as if having to pay for ringtones was a small price to pay for having suck a bad a$$ phone. then the lx came out and i went out and got it in the first month it was out. i paid full price for it and it was worth every penny. i dont care about the iphone and i dont care to compete with it but if i cant get some free apps, ringtones, something as simple as making my kid’s pic a background then im going to have to leave man. as much as i love this phone it just becomes so impersonal when i have to pay for 15 secs of a song that i have to select from a list of songs that i prob dont really want anyway. i like my houston underground music and i want it to play when my phone rings. i make my own music as a hobby and i want to hear it when my phone rings. danger is ******** us because there are crappy phones out there that do half the stuff the kick does but are more customizeable.

      i love my kick and i wouldnt sell it or trade it. i would keep it but i wouldnt be able to use it anymore if danger continues to milk me for every little thing. if i do have to jump ship it would be like having that ex girlfriend that has become a friend. the one that you dont have *** with anymore but keep in touch with because the relationship was great but the *** was bad. lol. you know what i mean right?? having a kick is becoming more and more like having a great woman that just cant keep her teeth off it no matter what you do or what you tell her. its becoming like having a woman that can bake a cake out this world but cant cook or even prepare a boal of cereal. lmao. you gotta understand me when i put it like that.

    64. GreekPharoah Says:

      Can we please keep in mind that the Zune/Sidekick merger is NOT even confirmed. Some people are speculating on the price of a media player that comes standard on the device but we don’t even know if the Zune will ever be a part of the SK! That’s kind of absurd.

      I don’t get the need for all these apps. I don’t have apps, not because of their fee but because they’re useless to me. I only own Newsroom. If you MUST have an itunes app or a weather app or whatever then I guess you should get a device where you could get it for free, that makes sense. But stop whining and hating. Its getting tired.

    65. recognizedakick Says:

      Meme on March 26, 2009 at 4:38 am said:

      recognizedakick on March 25, 2009 at 8:41 pm said:

      @Gizmo
      Dude, you wrote that long essay about how ur in love with ur Sidekick and the jump key then all of a sudden u start talking about leaving the Sidekick altogether?! I don’t get u man. I think crazyforkicks/crazyforiphones/crazyforwhat?/crazyforAPPLE/justcrazy4leavintmobile has gotten into ur head. Stay loyal and tru like u started out to be. I was actually startin to think that u were 1 of the few ppl on here who’s posts were actually worth reading. Don’t jump ship man!

      @Meme
      How can u wanna sell ur touch?! That device is somethin special! Well, unless u have a 1G which is still not all that bad! Im not sayin to leave the kick for the iphone, in fact, that’s THE LAST thing I wud tell u, but u gotta admit that thing can do some pretty bad stuff that u just can’t do wid a kick. And I agree, the keyboard on there SUX!

      @ Everyone else
      Try zune 1st before assuming the worse. Yea it sucks that we have to pay a fee for every lil feature but for the most part of my experience wit the kick, its always been worth it. Who knows, this might be a 1 time 5.99 fee or somethin. No one here knows that’s for sure. I don’t like how a site for Sidekick fans is starting to turn into a Sidekick hater site. I don’t think these posts were meant for us to realize how much the Sidekick really does suck and leave for another phone. Like Meme said, ’stay optimistic and keep the comments positive’. Lets all look foward to what Danger is ATTEMPTING to do.

      I’m just sayin! =D

      I have the newest 2nd generation iPod touch. I don’tknow. What are some cool apps? I’m not sure if this thing is so great.

      Hey meme, which messenger you usin? Aim, Msn, or Yahoo? We can chat about it there.

    66. gizmo Says:

      i posted a comment but it didnt get approved

    67. gizmo Says:

      i wonder why mine didnt get approved but the ones that bash the kick make it through like this is a anti kick site. what up with that??

    68. gizmo Says:

      i can see my comment now. page dint load all the way. my bad. carry on then.

    69. meme Says:

      Julio on March 26, 2009 at 1:06 pm said:

      iphone is better than the sidekick 09. sidekicks are becoming WACK!

      You’re wack! Do you currently have an iPhone?

    70. love-my-LX Says:

      Oh….. so that’s what threaded texting is……… that’s my brother has, he has the g1(I personly don’t like the way it opens and the way that the keyboard is.) But the texting is nice.

    71. alex Says:

      all the people that don’t like the sidekicks shouldn’t even bother coming to this site. i mean really. go to a site for YOUR phone and complain about sidekicks there. not here.

      i’m willing to give the zune player a try as long as i can still put my own music from my laptop onto my device and i don’t have to pay to put songs on it like from the zune store and things. if this happens then i’ll be pretty upset. not gonna lie.

      i love my sidekick lx it’s holding up pretty well considering that it’s missing an enitre corner from when my little sister dropped it onto my tile floor and it will no longer read my memory card. i’m getting this new sidekick as soon as it comes out. i can’t wait

    72. justin Says:

      That will be cool a new media player =]
      & every1 shut up about all the other phones!!! go2 a iphone or g1 site and stay off the sidekick 1, no1 is here to talk about other phones , when are some of you hard headed ppl going2 relize that , i hope all the sidekick lovers that are on here stay , and not turn on the sidekick

    73. Meme Says:

      Im just curious. How many people have actually switched over to the G1 or the iPhone? LOL I think a lot of people in here are all talk and when it comes down to it, they will eventually buy the new sidekick when it conesbout. For me, it doesn’t make sense to switch to the G1 or the iPhone. My data plan price would increase by $15 dollars. HECK NO!!

    74. crazyforiphones Says:

      Meme on March 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm said:

      Im just curious. How many people have actually switched over to the G1 or the iPhone? LOL I think a lot of people in here are all talk and when it comes down to it, they will eventually buy the new sidekick when it conesbout. For me, it doesn’t make sense to switch to the G1 or the iPhone. My data plan price would increase by $15 dollars. HECK NO!!

      Dude, your gonna pay the extra $15 if you upgrade to the 3g sidekick. Mark my words. I’ll bet you my left testicle

    75. Meme Says:

      crazyforiphones on March 27, 2009 at 7:00 pm said:

      Meme on March 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm said:

      Im just curious. How many people have actually switched over to the G1 or the iPhone? LOL I think a lot of people in here are all talk and when it comes down to it, they will eventually buy the new sidekick when it conesbout. For me, it doesn’t make sense to switch to the G1 or the iPhone. My data plan price would increase by $15 dollars. HECK NO!!

      Dude, your gonna pay the extra $15 if you upgrade to the 3g sidekick. Mark my words. I’ll bet you my left testicle

      I’ll take you up on that bet. That would lose a lot of customers. Mark MY words!

    76. recognizedakick Says:

      Meme on March 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm said:

      Im just curious. How many people have actually switched over to the G1 or the iPhone? LOL I think a lot of people in here are all talk and when it comes down to it, they will eventually buy the new sidekick when it conesbout. For me, it doesn’t make sense to switch to the G1 or the iPhone. My data plan price would increase by $15 dollars. HECK NO!!

      I just bought a G1 but its for my dad. Its really not a bad phone. But I gotta stick with my kick because its just more convenient. The iphone is will always be a great phone but then again so will the sidekick. Anyone who gets tired of the kick and decides to leave it then thats on you and a mistake you will have to live with. Just dont come on here crying about it. Youre more than likely to keep ur kick in ur back pocket just in case anywayz. I’m jus sayin =D

    77. Meme Says:

      recognizedakick on March 27, 2009 at 8:00 pm said:

      Meme on March 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm said:

      Im just curious. How many people have actually switched over to the G1 or the iPhone? LOL I think a lot of people in here are all talk and when it comes down to it, they will eventually buy the new sidekick when it conesbout. For me, it doesn’t make sense to switch to the G1 or the iPhone. My data plan price would increase by $15 dollars. HECK NO!!

      I just bought a G1 but its for my dad. Its really not a bad phone. But I gotta stick with my kick because its just more convenient. The iphone is will always be a great phone but then again so will the sidekick. Anyone who gets tired of the kick and decides to leave it then thats on you and a mistake you will have to live with. Just dont come on here crying about it. Youre more than likely to keep ur kick in ur back pocket just in case anywayz. I’m jus sayin =D

      LOL so you didn’t buy the G1 for yourself. How much is that plan for the G1 by the way?

    78. Dyingforit Says:

      We dont even know if its COMING OUT! BUT I WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!

    79. 915rko Says:

      don’t you think it is wierd that microsoft lets you listen to itunes???? but anyways, ebay on the web browser is perfect, no app needed, and who the hell owns acounts to facebook, my space and twitter when its the same ****?!?!?!? you seriously cut down on your bill if you use the mobile sights on the kicks browser. I doubt they will charge for an mp3 app when its already integrated on the phone, get a bigger memory card or hope for a hard drive. just wait til the phone comes out or the final spec sheet to whine about the could have beens.

    80. recognizedakick Says:

      Meme on March 27, 2009 at 8:11 pm said:

      recognizedakick on March 27, 2009 at 8:00 pm said:

      Meme on March 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm said:

      Im just curious. How many people have actually switched over to the G1 or the iPhone? LOL I think a lot of people in here are all talk and when it comes down to it, they will eventually buy the new sidekick when it conesbout. For me, it doesn’t make sense to switch to the G1 or the iPhone. My data plan price would increase by $15 dollars. HECK NO!!

      I just bought a G1 but its for my dad. Its really not a bad phone. But I gotta stick with my kick because its just more convenient. The iphone is will always be a great phone but then again so will the sidekick. Anyone who gets tired of the kick and decides to leave it then thats on you and a mistake you will have to live with. Just dont come on here crying about it. Youre more than likely to keep ur kick in ur back pocket just in case anywayz. I’m jus sayin =D

      LOL so you didn’t buy the G1 for yourself. How much is that plan for the G1 by the way?

      The plan is 39.99. And NO! I recognize the sidekick!! My dad just needs a better phone than the RazoR =D

    81. recognizedakick Says:

      gizmo on March 26, 2009 at 5:15 pm said:

      recognizedakick Says:

      @Gizmo
      Dude, you wrote that long essay about how ur in love with ur Sidekick and the jump key then all of a sudden u start talking about leaving the Sidekick altogether?! I don’t get u man. I think crazyforkicks/crazyforiphones/crazyforwhat?/crazyforAPPLE/justcrazy4leavintmobile has gotten into ur head. Stay loyal and tru like u started out to be. I was actually startin to think that u were 1 of the few ppl on here who’s posts were actually worth reading. Don’t jump ship man!

      i dont want to jump ship at all. i really want to see danger do better. it feels like we are coming to the end of a great thing that could have been so much better but only the once that have used a kick know it. everybody that owns a kick is always looking at it for one reason or another. everybody that i know that owns one of these things is always looking at it. sometimes its a game, sometimes its web browsin, textin, emailing, beating up those keys for whatever reason. i and my fellow kickers love the kick. my gripe is all the things that are starting to look real silly on a phone. like having to pay for ring times, somebody mentioned that and its true. before i got my first kick i had free tingtones. i just loaded them on my cd card and i was in business. the sk 3 came out and i was all for it, it seemed as if having to pay for ringtones was a small price to pay for having suck a bad a$$ phone. then the lx came out and i went out and got it in the first month it was out. i paid full price for it and it was worth every penny. i dont care about the iphone and i dont care to compete with it but if i cant get some free apps, ringtones, something as simple as making my kid’s pic a background then im going to have to leave man. as much as i love this phone it just becomes so impersonal when i have to pay for 15 secs of a song that i have to select from a list of songs that i prob dont really want anyway. i like my houston underground music and i want it to play when my phone rings. i make my own music as a hobby and i want to hear it when my phone rings. danger is ******** us because there are crappy phones out there that do half the stuff the kick does but are more customizeable.

      i love my kick and i wouldnt sell it or trade it. i would keep it but i wouldnt be able to use it anymore if danger continues to milk me for every little thing. if i do have to jump ship it would be like having that ex girlfriend that has become a friend. the one that you dont have *** with anymore but keep in touch with because the relationship was great but the *** was bad. lol. you know what i mean right?? having a kick is becoming more and more like having a great woman that just cant keep her teeth off it no matter what you do or what you tell her. its becoming like having a woman that can bake a cake out this world but cant cook or even prepare a boal of cereal. lmao. you gotta understand me when i put it like that.

      Um…okay. I guess I see what ur sayin?? But just so you know Imma girl and cant really relate with that example you were usin. lol However I do see your point but it seems like you just havent really made up ur mind yet. You’re still in the debate mode. O well, I dont really care with keepin up wit u anymore to tell u the truth. All I gotta stay is hold onto the kick as long as u can and when u cant deal with it anymore than do what u gotta do. I’m jus sayin! =D

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